¿BIG O BIG EASY?

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Re: ¿BIG O BIG EASY?

Postby Chillmaz » April 22nd, 2013, 8:00 pm

mlfaijati wrote: Look at the best teams that play 4v4 3 def, they all play in very similar ways, Big Easy allows you to create your own tactics in a way

Explain 2nd part of your sentence please. Whats the main point you are referring to? What makes you think you cant create your own tactics at Big? Did u even try? I mean really really tried?

Just try it hard and think of something new to break the barrier.

Exactly what I've said in my previous post
"If you wanna score more goals, be better. If you dont wanna lose, be better.
Think of new tactics new formation whatsoever, but dont go the easier way and try to change the surroundings"
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Re: ¿BIG O BIG EASY?

Postby Maddude » April 22nd, 2013, 8:02 pm

I have da solution:
viewtopic.php?f=230&t=3324

#Big Almost Ez
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Re: ¿BIG O BIG EASY?

Postby ☮ ☆ noob ☆ ☮ » April 22nd, 2013, 8:09 pm

if u want a big ez map..that means you will have to make a new league cause not all of us like yes league and there are not allot of 4 vs 4 uk based leagues on big as professionally run and set up as FM. make a new league or go to a new league if ur bored.
big for me :P.
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Re: ¿BIG O BIG EASY?

Postby lr16 » April 22nd, 2013, 8:15 pm

Man who the fuck even listens to mlfaijati? I mean are we seriously about to determine the potential fate of this wonderful league by a suggestion made by a closeted fourteen year old homosexual such as him?

arctic wrote:imo if your been gking as long as me and mlf have which is two season for us your want a change unless your new to big 4v4 or shit at big 4v4 (sig and ovo) you will then enjoy 4v4 big while if your been gking for ages like me, mlf, soc, Ren etc gking on big is just boring as fuck.


Arctic, mlf, soc, Ren believe that this league should change all of its format because they're bored playing goal. Nobody's forcing you to do so, maybe if you lot didn't concede as much as you do it would be slightly more encouraging and uplifting the experience of being on goal.


Once you go big easy you'll be as gay as :breezy4:.
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Re: ¿BIG O BIG EASY?

Postby Ghost » April 22nd, 2013, 8:39 pm

lr16 wrote:Man who the fuck even listens to mlfaijati? I mean are we seriously about to determine the potential fate of this wonderful league by a suggestion made by a closeted fourteen year old homosexual such as him?


I don't know how much of this is troll, but to be fair it has been bought up several times in admin discussions(it was even the main focal point of when we first decided to move to 4v4). If it were to change it wouldn't be because of him, it'd be because we finally decided to make the switch that we were going to make a long time ago but chickened out because everyone was big easy retarded at the time.

Pretty much the whole community was so defensively poor at the time, it made perfect sense to use the big 3-man format. That's not the case any more and a large majority of teams are actually very capable in defence, so now it probably is time to make the long awaited switch.

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A lot of the arguments against big easy now, are pretty much the same arguments that were used against moving to 4v4 from 3v3(bus/spamball being the main one), yet we did it anyway and it was the best thing we ever did.
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Re: ¿BIG O BIG EASY?

Postby mlfaijati » April 22nd, 2013, 8:47 pm

I still want to be able to see who is voting for what, we can then go deeper (y homo) into who wants what.

I'm still not 100% over whether EZ would be better for the league, nobody has really discussed the whole fs finding problem.

love u 2 lr

@ Chillmaz if there was a better way to play 4v4 3 man def then wouldn't the best teams have done that by now? This is why I gave the example of the best teams in YeS all being somewhat similar. Did you see the Champions League final? You had 2 of the best haxball teams that have probably ever existed and it was a boring game to watch.
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NWA:
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Re: ¿BIG O BIG EASY?

Postby Maddude » April 22nd, 2013, 8:48 pm

My season 1 plan is coming to fruition. Been playing the political game the whole time. Now it is time for the revolution.

MADDUDE DECIDES TO DO SOME ADMINISTRATING*, TELL YOUR FRIENDS, YOUR FAMILY, YOUR MONKEY AND EVEN YOUR DEAD RELATIVES IN BACON WORLD (R.i.p may Bacod bless their ovens).*only if big ez

l0l bless you, you cant see who's voting
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Re: ¿BIG O BIG EASY?

Postby mlfaijati » April 22nd, 2013, 8:55 pm

joni can do bare magics tho i swr
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FM record:

G.I. Joehans:
[s]Won Div 2 and Cup[/s] Got carried by Fritz.

ARRIBA!:
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NWA:
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A travesty.

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Re: ¿BIG O BIG EASY?

Postby CircleBoy » April 22nd, 2013, 9:03 pm

I literaly made this topic 2 years ago viewtopic.php?f=28&t=1743

CB...used voicechat in season 1, was mocked. Now everyone is on teamspeak. Played 4v4 with powerangers and tried to get FM to switch to 4s. This was overwhelmingly rejected before being passed the very next season. Now it has come to pass that I advocated for the next step in FMs evolution before its time had come.

CircleBoy, he only stopped...so that the league could catch up.
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Re: ¿BIG O BIG EASY?

Postby lr16 » April 22nd, 2013, 9:04 pm

33-32, the people are voicing their opinions
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Re: ¿BIG O BIG EASY?

Postby Maddude » April 22nd, 2013, 9:08 pm

l0l momo speaks the truth in that fred
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Re: ¿BIG O BIG EASY?

Postby CircleBoy » April 22nd, 2013, 9:18 pm

mlf negrepped me when I voted for his cause

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Re: ¿BIG O BIG EASY?

Postby oln » April 22nd, 2013, 10:04 pm

Chillmaz wrote:Reading stuff like 5on5, huge, big ez would apparently require more skill,...oh my
I'm having a hard time reading all that kind of stuff and not start insulting ppl randomly.
Didn't wanna get involved in this discussion because I know how this is gonna end, but i cant hold it back any longer >:[ (yes very mad)

Facts:

Big(3 def):
- Pretty much every "nation" plays it(except CZ and Russkis)
=> Makes it easier for teams to compete if all of them have the same experience such as playing the same field.
Current situation: more big leagues than big ez leagues.

- Not too crowded in defense and there is a 3on3 situation in front of the goal (seems fair to me)

- 3-men-def-rule coming from HBC(French League) and it was created back then to avoid a crowdy defense and get more space for attackers.
The original rule also said "as soon as a 4th(most likely the GK) attacker is getting involved in attack the opponent team is allowed to defend with 4 people aswell (4on4 situation)" (Ask Vidic the original founder of HBC)

I don't know which 3-men-def-rule FM is using, but according to the pics in the written rules(here in FM) and from what ive heard I'm assuming its a mix of both HBC and esports(which isnt clearly defined there either imo)
Nevertheless. Next Fact:


Big Easy:
- Played in NC or CC (Also ridiculous decision by ESL concerning CC back that time)
=> Gathering experience through League Games (Big Ez)

- Wider goals obviously
=> Leading to more (and beautiful) goals?

- very crowded defense because of 4-men-def
=> More skill required?


System:
Mainly played "triangle" or "box" for those 2 different fields.


Coming to an end now.
Big because:
People are used to it and know how to play. Lots of leagues are playing it. Most and best competitive field.
Its arguable if its easier to a newbie to start either with big inlcuding 3 def or big easy.
Most of the ppl who decided joining a league have been playing public already. iirc esports or other ppl open rooms like "4on4 3 def" and if those newbies dont know how to play they get banned instantly. Next time they join they will ask how is it played and will put effort not to get banned and will learn the rule. Its simple as it is.

Not Big Ez because:
Who is saying "YO, you have to play "triangle" on big and "box" on big ez " ? It has absolutely nothing to do with the chosen field neither opponent nor the 3-/4-men def !
So in one point I'm agreeing with some people here, but ofc i dont fully agree there. Its all about the skill of an individual therefore of the whole team. Its not the "Big ez requires more skill".If a team knows how to defend in big they will also defend very well in big ez.

Skipping 5on5 and Huge suggestions. Ridiculous ! No need to argue about that :D

Not arguing against NC or CC point. Its ok to gain some exp, but arent cup games enough? I cant either understand why are those played Big Ez, but ok thats not what the discussion is about.
Why wider goals? To make it easier to score some (beautiful) goals against a good deffending team?
If you wanna score more goals, be better. If you dont wanna lose, be better.
Think of new tactics new formation whatsoever, but dont go the easier way and try to change the surroundings. Never change a running system!

Haters gonna hate ! :x :x


this and nothing else to add. +111111111111


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Re: ¿BIG O BIG EASY?

Postby Wiiii » April 22nd, 2013, 10:11 pm

More skill on big easy? That's bullshit. You have more goals by pressing through the wall, there is no striker in offense, so that you don't have midfield passing. It just looks like shit at all.

I don't care whether you guys care, but i would be out, if you changed it... but do what you want. There was not even one convincing argument for big easy imo.

Edit: If you want, we can discuss about smaller balls
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Re: ¿BIG O BIG EASY?

Postby Constantinople » April 22nd, 2013, 10:17 pm

I suppose the only solution to this is to create a new Big Easy league to appease those that are in favour of the change and keep FM as a big 4v4 league. Although I want Big Easy, you can't really change it unless the majority want to change it also.
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Re: ¿BIG O BIG EASY?

Postby naby » April 23rd, 2013, 1:07 am

i was gonna say something intelligent but then i saw the gif in hesur's signature now ive been creeped the fuck out and idk what this thread even is anymore
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Re: ¿BIG O BIG EASY?

Postby Cam_Sampbell » April 23rd, 2013, 1:58 am

The argument about GKing being boring in Big means you're not being adventurous enough. You can sort of do a trapezium/parallelogramish shape to give another option to the DM (as in Big Ez boxing), but obviously not pushing forward to the same extent. You've gotta have good chem though innit.

However, I prefer Big Ez, for the reasons already mentioned, I just wanted to make that point :bounce:
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Re: ¿BIG O BIG EASY?

Postby Stevo » April 23rd, 2013, 7:02 am

Redboy wrote:
te][o wrote:big easy is shit and it promotes anti football

i've said

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Big easy is shit, lucky in 50% goals or xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx




i think you mean

'Big easy is shit, lucky in 50% goals or ccc'



(not u personally btw)
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Re: ¿BIG O BIG EASY?

Postby mase » April 23rd, 2013, 7:34 am

big easy is needed if you can't score on normal big

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Re: ¿BIG O BIG EASY?

Postby Usopp » April 23rd, 2013, 9:38 am

mlfaijati wrote:You can't really have tactics on big because of the 3 man def rule, it just restricts what you can do. Look at the best teams that play 4v4 3 def, they all play in very similar ways, Big Easy allows you to create your own tactics in a way, cba to make more arguements - you're entitled to your opinion.


everyone will end up playing the same way on big easy anyway
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