With or Without Extrapolation?

[El Drago]

By the way guys there is a solution to Extrapolation Haxball:

Ask basro to have a function where you can SEE the number of Extrapolation people are using, the same way you can see everybody's ping number.

Then the league can make a rule saying 0 Extrapolation in officials, simple.

that can be manipulated it`s hard to do things like this on a browser game imo

[B4D4SS]

Changed the maximum value of extrapolation to 50ms. This feature has been quite a controversial feature and while I don't believe it gives players any advantage it was also never meant to be used with values higher than this anyway.

Edit: The negative reception to the extrapolation limit was stronger than I expected so I’m reverting those changes. (told by barso in his news blog https://blog.haxball.com/)

This was a great update but after that, ppl for some reason bitched about it and barso just had to add back the 200ms max extrapolation because there were too much negative feedback.
To this day i belive that this is one of the biggest mistake if not the biggest barso has made as we could have got rid of extrapolation by going lower every update or every 1-3 months)

You can thank the clowns in this thread for that

viewtopic.php?f=188&t=8927

And basro's stupidity for listening to crying kids rather than logic.

[Ter]

Here lies my AA/EA confession:

I started playing with 16 extrapolation in the beginning of the "HTML era", and continued doing it like that for an entire season at Klub Emeryta, where I played as DM, or tried to. Using low extrapolation, according to my experience, gives an advantage on "mid duels", because since you see the pitch in a more clear way than people with higher extrapolation, it becomes easier for you to predict rebounds and also exploit slight positional deviations that the opponents make compared to the "ideal" position that you should be at. Now, here comes the problem with low extrapolation (at least with W10 and/or with my poor setup), you just can't control your circle like players with high extrapolation, you just can't, for you to make a "2X" (Doubleshot) you have to focus like your life depends on it, and it won't flow like you usually want (Doubleshots are useful when u can control the angle you want, with low extrapolation it is very hard if not impossible to do so).

Even if in that season with Klub Emeryta, me and my team reached top2 in every single competition (Cup, League and HCL, the last one which we won), the reality is I got carried by my teammates, I would literally just put the ball forward and layed on my chair while my two forwards would do the job (SAKY and xSha), and in the games that they did not do the job (and SAKY would choke ), I would basically throw the game, like I did on Cup final vs TPP, which not only made me understand "the art of defending" more, but made me realize I needed to higher my extrapolation to fight against people that with higher extrapolation could basically exert "corner kingdom". So, I started at 20 extrapolation this time, and got it up 5 by 5 in an interval of few days, until I suddently reached 100, which is, to this day, the extrapolation that I feel comfortable with (even if playing with 60Hz can only give you such a confort, since sometimes, for no reason, your circle feels heavy instead of light, and i just use my religious believes and spam "ESC" to see if my brain can distinguish yellow dresses from blue dresses in the way i want to see, blue for peace).

In the end, I think limiting extrapolation won't do much to the game, in fact, it will limit people like me, who can't play on a lower extrapolation due to setup (like come on, do not bring the argument "skilled players can play in any extrapolation", I could skill how I wanted in Flash, I'm not a "product" of extrapolation/setup, with all due respect), and make the game less balanced, since some will continue to be able to play like before, while others will have to adapt while their peak potential will probably be significantly worse than what they have reached before with extrapolation. Those "injust" things would only be solved if HaxBall moved enough interest for Sponsors to organize LANS, where everybody would play with the same setup and ping, since on-line gaming has its own limitations as we all know. But, me and you know that probably isn't going to happen, so let's pray together that in the future, mechanical keyboards and monitors become more acessible and make less of an impact between eachother, so we can see a more fair competition.

That is all, have a rest of a nice day, and i'm searching for a team, please pick me, I beg.

[apex1]

NNNNNIIIICCCCCEEEEEE!!!!!!!

[MartYK]

just real quick, where is the problem? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-y1ACnel7CA

[Ter]

just real quick, where is the problem? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-y1ACnel7CA

The problem is that the skills that you are using can't be used in high quality games, only if you are GK/DM, and even there i have my doubts, since nowadays in defence there is always a guy in the middle rushing the DM, you are leaving too much space between the ball and yourself for the opponent to pressure/intercept you, and one of the ways i encountered to face that problem and to skill "cleaner" more consistently was to higher my extrapolation, I'm only documenting my experience and the solution i have encountered, but hey, with some steady practice on 50 extrapolation maybe you can achieve what I haven't, best of luck, honestly.

[MartYK]

just real quick, where is the problem? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-y1ACnel7CA

The problem is that the skills that you are using can't be used in high quality games, only if you are GK/DM, and even there i have my doubts, since nowadays in defence there is always a guy in the middle rushing the DM, you are leaving too much space between the ball and yourself for the opponent to pressure/intercept you, and one of the ways i encountered to face that problem and to skill "cleaner" more consistently was to higher my extrapolation, I'm only documenting my experience and the solution i have encountered, but hey, with some steady practice on 50 extrapolation maybe you can achieve what I haven't, best of luck, honestly.

the video was not about show tricks what i could do in match, a just want show you a to everyone, you dont need high extrapolation to do things in haxball,
everything is in head a in drill

[Soul]

back to flash pls, was better.. or html without extra and increase the kicklimit we'll have more action without tricks and spam like it was in the past

[Tortogol]

lets just play ball2d that is free on steam

[Zoro1]

there is no difference, it is all about getting used to the extra level that you are playing.

and also using high extra has many disadvantages such as shaking avatars in the game makes u feel pingy, bad vision, missclicking strong shoots, etc.

so, I'd say without extra.