Northern Lights v TI SPARTA!

[Ghost]

Quite frankly the way some of you are behaving is disgusting. Every single fucking one of you bitched and moaned and demanded we do something about it when the draft was cheated, and now that there is evidence of potential further cheating(not to mention the doubt it casts over potential previous fakenicks that may have happened) you want to turn a blind eye? Ridiculous.

I literally don't want to run a league for you any more, I'm out. Good luck next season.

[aeRo]

wp community

[naby]

wp community

[<º)))<]

The intention of cheating is crystal clear, and should be punished.

Otherwise this behaviour will be repeated.

[noj]

Right, some clarification is in order I think.

Northern Lights are not being punished for attempting to impersonate. As much as I find that behaviour disgusting it isn't punishable. What they are being punished for though is casting serious doubt about the integrity of that game. Let me explain:

• Girg messaged numerous players on teamspeak before the game asking if they could pretend to be falk. Girg has admitted to this.
  
• Falk plays the first half with a very strange playstyle (anyone who has played with or watched him play before would notice big differences).
  
• Falk has a constant 68 ping all the way through the first half, it literally doesn't change. At half time he leaves the room and takes about 5-10 minutes to re-join.
  
• 2nd half he plays his usual playstyle, moving into DM and carrying his team forward. In the first half he played ST and did his best to stay out of defence.
  
• His ping in the second half is completely different. He gets a minimum of 84 and a maximum of 100. Not only is that far from 68, it fluctuates a lot which doesn't make sense when his ping didn't change 1st half.
  

Replay: http://haxballtube.com/watch/dd9e2917d3

Now on their own those points mean nothing, but put them together and you've got some serious questions about whether that was actually falk who played that game.

So why push for a replay if it can't be proved? Because this is setting a precedent for future games. I have nothing against the 'innocent until proven guilty' thing but you have to realise that with regards to impersonation unless someone involved openly admits it you can never prove it; you essentially set yourself up to be exploited in the future. Therefore I took on the stance of whether there is 'reasonable doubt' or not and in this case, there is.

In hindsight, forcing a replay of this game was a bad move. If Sparta want to refuse the replay, so be it.

To be accused of doing this to stop NL winning the league is disappointing, to say the least. Northern Lights have been the best team in the league this season and I personally have no issues against them winning the league fairly.

[Cam_Sampbell]

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The most sensible post about this by an admin so far.

All we knew originally was that there was the intention of impersonation, so obviously the punishments were going to seem harsh when not backed up by the further evidence to some people.

I think that it should be up to Ovo whether the replay is played or not, and if Ovo decides against it, then perhaps have something like a 3 point deduction for the start of next season, if NL decide to continue in the league. To deduct points now in this situation would just be ridiculous, and make the whole of the season pointless and farcical.

[Aidan]

Fuck off trying to guilt trip people, and thank you jonny for saying something sensible

Anway the rule for impersonation states - the team will be banned for the rest of the league ? So therefore this means that the game being brought into question should be the one of NWA vs NL ...

And id be delighted if falk wasnt playing and someone was impersonating him, if you said to ovo before the game falk cant play the first half he would be delighted. I know thats not the point but still.

I say we just leave it no one really cares if you are going to punish them, then to what sam said about them starting with a points deduction next season.

[Aidan]

Quite frankly the way some of you are behaving is disgusting. Every single fucking one of you bitched and moaned and demanded we do something about it when the draft was cheated, and now that there is evidence of potential further cheating(not to mention the doubt it casts over potential previous fakenicks that may have happened) you want to turn a blind eye? Ridiculous.

I literally don't want to run a league for you any more, I'm out. Good luck next season.

Did you even do anything this season ?

[mlfaijati]

[Girgensons]

Why exactly should we get a point deduction? How does that make any sense at all?

[Aidan]

to shut people up its next season no one cares

[Girgensons]

Well, then maybe give us a point deduction in season 3?

[opc]

Best post in the thread from Jonny by a mile. It still doesn't explain why if TIS refuse the replay NL get a deduction. The result should stand if a replay is refused, otherwise NL are getting punished for something which isn't proven. Replaying and removing the doubt is the best option in my opinion, based on the information which is now available, but wasn't previously.

How some admins can expect others not to get the wrong end of the stick when they don't release all the information is beyond me.

[aeRo]

Why people comment on something they don't fully understand is beyond me.

[opc]

Why people comment on something they don't fully understand is beyond me.

When an admin releases a statement such as the one Rachel did, one expects it to contain the full facts.

[aeRo]

Why people comment on something they don't fully understand is beyond me.

When an admin releases a statement such as the one Rachel did, one expects it to contain the full facts.

Cool

[Aidizzle]

The team hasn't actually done anything wrong and they won the game fairly. If Girg has admitted intent, surely you should be throwing 50 shades of shit at him?

The game was played and won fair and square and would likely be that way again, a waste of time. Girg deliberately set out to find someone to impersonate and should be given an individual punishment.

Given that Girg admitted to it, the punishment should be chopped down.

[rolex]

i dont understand y nl get -3 points if ti refuse either tbh

explain pls

[naby]

all irrelevant

ovo turned down replay - will discuss another form of punishment