Justice for Jai and Tanzim

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Justice for Jai and Tanzim

Postby Joehan » July 18th, 2013, 8:58 pm

As some of you may know (although it would have had to be by word of mouth because the admins haven’t made a thread about it or anything, except in the mysterious Granddad Talk section), Jai and Tanzim have been banned from Feed Me for 5 and 8 games respectively. This ban is for “impersonation” or “assisting an impersonation”. The only ‘proof’ that the admins have for this alleged impersonation, or so I gather, is the ‘fact’ Jai had Momo’s name on teamspeak while the match was played. The only ‘evidence’ for this is that Perkins has Jai as a friend on teamspeak and saw the [Jai] tag before Momo’s name. However, conveniently, there is no screenshot proof of this and it is simply Perkins’ word against the word of the accused. Now, for such a serious ban, you would expect there to be solid proof of an offence occurring. As dooms (an admin) states in a conversation with Tanzim about the bans, there is none:

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<20:06:04> "dooms": perkins added jai as a friend
<20:06:08> "Tanzim": fixed??
<20:06:12> "Tanzim": it wast jai smh
<20:06:15> "Tanzim": has he got screenshot
<20:06:17> "dooms": and momo has [jai] next to his na,e
<20:06:19> "Tanzim": dats hes firends on TS wid jai
<20:06:19> "dooms": name8
<20:06:23> "dooms": meaning they had the same ip
<20:06:28> "Tanzim": has he got screenshot of that
<20:06:29> "Tanzim": lemme see it
<20:06:51> "dooms": no


Dooms also stated that another piece of evidence suggesting it was Jai as MoMo on teamspeak is that MoMo was on a Mac, and Jai uses Mac’s. However (before any suggestion of impersonation or bans even came about) MoMo stated himself that he used his brother’s Mac for the game, as stated in this screenshot: http://puu.sh/3Eggy. Also, even if Jai did join as MoMo on teamspeak, there is no rule against this, and teamspeak should be and is independent of Haxball and Feed Me matches.

We can look at the comparisons to similar scandals, such as Girgensons’ attempted impersonation back at the end of season 4. No bans occurred due to the lack of evidence/proof against Northern Lights and Girgensons, very similar to this situation.

The final similarity is the alleged impersonation by Ghost of Edgar Davids while jonnyynnoj was captain of ARRIBA. Now, no bans have been given to either Ghost or jonnyynnoj about this, although there is a lot more proof of jonny actually doing it, as there are witnesses to it who state that it occurred, namely fap, CircleBoy, Edgar Davids and deerhaunter94. When dooms is questioned about it, he says:

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<20:29:26> "Tanzim": how come jai says he impersonated to protect ogre
<20:29:28> "Tanzim": you take srs
<20:29:32> "Tanzim": but when fap and other Arriba's say
<20:29:40> "Tanzim": they was impersonated during jonnis era
<20:29:43> "Tanzim": they are trolling
<20:30:20> "dooms": it's too late to punish for that, and theres not enough proof or logic behind that
<20:30:33> "Tanzim": it doesnt matter
<20:30:36> "Tanzim": how come you're not taking that serious
<20:30:49> "dooms": <20:30:16> "dooms": it's too late to punish for that, and theres not enough proof or logic behind that
<20:31:03> "Tanzim": lold not enough proof
<20:31:07> "Tanzim": all the team members saying it happened


The most telling point of this section of the conversation is where dooms says (twice):

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<20:30:16> "dooms": it's too late to punish for that, and theres not enough proof or logic behind that


This simple statement is exactly our argument for the reversal of Jai and Tanzim’s banning, as there is simply not enough proof that Jai impersonated for Tanzim.

We ask for the admins to reverse this ludicrous decision to ban Jai and Tanzim, and allow them to return to their teams to play out the remainder of the season, hopefully without incident.

If you wish to read some conversations between certain admins and outraged members of the FM community, here are some links to them:

http://pastebin.com/b6kRaHVm
http://puu.sh/3FW1E
http://puu.sh/3G2L0.png
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Re: Justice for Jai and Tanzim

Postby Zizou » July 18th, 2013, 9:24 pm

Play fair and there would be no problem.

Btw..
http://www.haxballtube.com/watch/f2c69bdc0b
no comment..
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Re: Justice for Jai and Tanzim

Postby Joehan » July 18th, 2013, 9:25 pm

Zizou wrote:Play fair and there would be no problem.

Btw..
http://www.haxballtube.com/watch/f2c69bdc0b
no comment..


woodberry has nothing to do with ducks or jai?
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Re: Justice for Jai and Tanzim

Postby dora da gora » July 18th, 2013, 9:30 pm

Zizou wrote:Play fair and there would be no problem.

Btw..
http://www.haxballtube.com/watch/f2c69bdc0b
no comment..


decent tactic, woodberry missed 2 huge chances and shoulda won that game.

hows nwa doing?
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Re: Justice for Jai and Tanzim

Postby Zizou » July 18th, 2013, 9:31 pm

Joehan wrote:
Zizou wrote:Play fair and there would be no problem.

Btw..
http://www.haxballtube.com/watch/f2c69bdc0b
no comment..


woodberry has nothing to do with ducks or jai?

Tanzim has.

Anyway, what is the point of impersonation?

STfu fap, you know I will hench you anyday, anytime :afro:
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Re: Justice for Jai and Tanzim

Postby Tanzim » July 18th, 2013, 9:33 pm

Zizou wrote:
Joehan wrote:
Zizou wrote:Play fair and there would be no problem.

Btw..
http://www.haxballtube.com/watch/f2c69bdc0b
no comment..


woodberry has nothing to do with ducks or jai?

Tanzim has.

Anyway, what is the point of inpersonation?


The replay has got nothing to do with me, I cannot control what other people do bro.
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Re: Justice for Jai and Tanzim

Postby CircleBoy » July 18th, 2013, 9:40 pm

Tanz wasn't playing, nothing to do with him. Wasn't his idea etc
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Re: Justice for Jai and Tanzim

Postby Zizou » July 18th, 2013, 9:44 pm

Right but he was in the room alongside with you. Just explain, what is the point of creating this league, maintaining and then fking it all up by the senior members of community (as many have considered you) impersonate each other, ruin league matches..?
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Re: Justice for Jai and Tanzim

Postby CircleBoy » July 18th, 2013, 9:53 pm

I'll post a wordy post about it tomorrow when everyones cooled off
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Re: Justice for Jai and Tanzim

Postby Casper07™ » July 18th, 2013, 9:59 pm

would love to see that cb
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Re: Justice for Jai and Tanzim

Postby Tanzim » July 19th, 2013, 12:03 am

Zizou wrote:Right but he was in the room alongside with you. Just explain, what is the point of creating this league, maintaining and then fking it all up by the senior members of community (as many have considered you) impersonate each other, ruin league matches..?


Ziz you don't even know half of the story bro, its all accusations not facts.
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Re: Justice for Jai and Tanzim

Postby CircleBoy » July 19th, 2013, 12:32 am

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Re: Justice for Jai and Tanzim

Postby Cam_Sampbell » July 19th, 2013, 1:21 am

Tbf, regarding Girgs, he tried to organise impersonation, but it didn't end up happening, so I presume that he wasn't punished for that reason.

I think that the Arriba thing should be looked into more though.
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Re: Justice for Jai and Tanzim

Postby Tanzim » July 19th, 2013, 1:24 am

Cam_Sampbell wrote:Tbf, regarding Girgs, he tried to organise impersonation, but it didn't end up happening, so I presume that he wasn't punished for that reason.

I think that the Arriba thing should be looked into more though.


i've been told naho admitted impersonating Falk by a few people.
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Re: Justice for Jai and Tanzim

Postby naby » July 19th, 2013, 7:36 am

Tanzim wrote:
Cam_Sampbell wrote:Tbf, regarding Girgs, he tried to organise impersonation, but it didn't end up happening, so I presume that he wasn't punished for that reason.

I think that the Arriba thing should be looked into more though.


i've been told naho admitted impersonating Falk by a few people.


Perkins told me it was RTZS.
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Re: Justice for Jai and Tanzim

Postby naby » July 19th, 2013, 7:37 am

Cam_Sampbell wrote:Tbf, regarding Girgs, he tried to organise impersonation, but it didn't end up happening, so I presume that he wasn't punished for that reason.

I think that the Arriba thing should be looked into more though.


also sorri camsam i once impersonated you in that shitty CL :(
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Re: Justice for Jai and Tanzim

Postby Stevo » July 19th, 2013, 9:06 pm

who impersonated gary in the end?
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Re: Justice for Jai and Tanzim

Postby Ghost » July 19th, 2013, 9:09 pm

Stevo wrote:who impersonated gary in the end?


Me. :pale:
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Re: Justice for Jai and Tanzim

Postby The Doctor » July 20th, 2013, 2:49 pm

Everyone involved should either be banned or forgiven.
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Re: Justice for Jai and Tanzim

Postby Cam_Sampbell » July 20th, 2013, 4:47 pm

Rachel wrote:also sorri camsam i once impersonated you in that shitty CL :(


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