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Maze wrote:You should not do macro analysis on YouTube video, atleast you need replay file for this.
Also its normal position, i dont want to tire myself by explaining it for a long time.
Thanks.
Olic wrote:Lets be honest right now. If they would lose the semi final by defloss due to macro usage what will help you with? Like seriously, you dont win anything, I understand people want to end this macro era forever, but with people who will agree that he uses macro or with people who wont agree the macro usage it will be a constant conversation that will never come to an end with no verdict.
supernatural wrote:Olic wrote:Lets be honest right now. If they would lose the semi final by defloss due to macro usage what will help you with? Like seriously, you dont win anything, I understand people want to end this macro era forever, but with people who will agree that he uses macro or with people who wont agree the macro usage it will be a constant conversation that will never come to an end with no verdict.
They win or lose, does it matter? Do they start to playing HCL from semifinals? Just imagine how many times this guy used macro before he came to semifinals. Just imagine how he stole people's deserved win maybe. It's not about winning or losing. This is basically stealing. If you have macro, you steal someones time, energy, well deserved victory and many more.
From here I want to shoutout to CL admins, they should give the right decision about this DEATHWISH team and their victories.
supernatural wrote:Maze wrote:You should not do macro analysis on YouTube video, atleast you need replay file for this.
Also its normal position, i dont want to tire myself by explaining it for a long time.
Thanks.
If you are going to say something please support your message with enough information atleast. You are saying its normal position, against people who provided very nice data for this turya guy ingame kicks.
Hayki and me showing you his kicks have extremely low delay milliseconds. Which is impossible to do. And you are just saying it's normal position. No need to perceive. It's obvious that he used macro in semifinals.
Show me one guy can kick the ball two times in 15 milliseconds without macro, then we discuss something.
tip: 15 milliseconds isn't 15 seconds guys, wake up.
i played this game really enough and i can understand who is macro and who is not.
JC7s hayki wrote:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=boZHwsJ-oZQ
This video from, https://thehax.pl/forum/powtorki.php?na ... 5714033f8d 14.39,
0.800 - 0.883 - 0.950 - 0.017 | 83 - 67 - 67
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gOyAGlEFvpI
from, https://thehax.pl/forum/powtorki.php?na ... 5714033f8d 10.09,
0.450 - 0.517 - 0.583 - 0.650 | 67 - 67 - 67 - 67
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=29b9n12dCdI
from, https://thehax.pl/forum/powtorki.php?na ... 5714033f8d 29.51
0.633 - 0.683 - 0.750 - 0.833 - 0.900 - 0.983 - 0.050 - 0.133 - 0.200 - 0.267 | 50 - 67 - 83 - 67 - 83 - 67 - 83 - 67 - 67 - 67
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YTk8qvkcFJI
from, (another game) https://thehax.pl/forum/powtorki.php?na ... 35a4974114 15.50
0.150 - 0.217 - 0.283 - 0.367 - 0.433 - 0.517 - 0.583 | 67 - 67 - 83 - 67 - 83 - 67
As you can see on the video (in the new analyzer) and on recs, the delay between kicks in milliseconds is almost identical and the delays themselves are very small, so it is evident that he is using macro in these situations, you can see the delays are always around 67ms between each kick, that is around 15 kicks per second, which is very hard to do without macro.
and @supernatural I think if you blame anyone with macro, you should also check their opponents
Maze wrote:You should not do macro analysis on YouTube video, atleast you need replay file for this.
Also its normal position, i dont want to tire myself by explaining it for a long time.
Thanks.
Lyreco wrote:Maze wrote:You should not do macro analysis on YouTube video, atleast you need replay file for this.
Also its normal position, i dont want to tire myself by explaining it for a long time.
Thanks.
Why the fuck would you post then
Maze wrote:You should not do macro analysis on YouTube video, atleast you need replay file for this.
Olic wrote:supernatural wrote:Olic wrote:Lets be honest right now. If they would lose the semi final by defloss due to macro usage what will help you with? Like seriously, you dont win anything, I understand people want to end this macro era forever, but with people who will agree that he uses macro or with people who wont agree the macro usage it will be a constant conversation that will never come to an end with no verdict.
They win or lose, does it matter? Do they start to playing HCL from semifinals? Just imagine how many times this guy used macro before he came to semifinals. Just imagine how he stole people's deserved win maybe. It's not about winning or losing. This is basically stealing. If you have macro, you steal someones time, energy, well deserved victory and many more.
From here I want to shoutout to CL admins, they should give the right decision about this DEATHWISH team and their victories.
I understand your statement and I totally agree with you but as I said, I havent seen any current or past captain on the HCL who reported a case of macro for turya. As soon as they accepted a lose, I think there is nothing you can do properly, and a HCL cant comeback to its start. It is already the final of it. I think you can agree with me the competition cant start from the beggining.
El Drago wrote:
It`s all about the computer and keyboard that you have. Most of the mechanical keyboards have no delay, if I slightly touch X button it presses instantly, so if I were to spam shift/space + x it will be above average. To be honest, I don t think macro has any effect with this kick limiter because I`ve done a test in which a friend played with macro and we spammed against each other. The result was pretty unclear because it depends on positioning and other factors, but in my point of view, if you have a decent setup, there is no need for macro to spam well. The limiter was making the macro extremely slower. i think more than it was its purpose, but yes macro is an advantage but only in some circumstances.
JC7s hayki wrote:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=boZHwsJ-oZQ
This video from, https://thehax.pl/forum/powtorki.php?na ... 5714033f8d 14.39,
0.800 - 0.883 - 0.950 - 0.017 | 83 - 67 - 67
------------------------------------------------------
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gOyAGlEFvpI
from, https://thehax.pl/forum/powtorki.php?na ... 5714033f8d 10.09,
0.450 - 0.517 - 0.583 - 0.650 | 67 - 67 - 67 - 67
------------------------------------------------------
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=29b9n12dCdI
from, https://thehax.pl/forum/powtorki.php?na ... 5714033f8d 29.51
0.633 - 0.683 - 0.750 - 0.833 - 0.900 - 0.983 - 0.050 - 0.133 - 0.200 - 0.267 | 50 - 67 - 83 - 67 - 83 - 67 - 83 - 67 - 67 - 67
------------------------------------------------------
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YTk8qvkcFJI
from, (another game) https://thehax.pl/forum/powtorki.php?na ... 35a4974114 15.50
0.150 - 0.217 - 0.283 - 0.367 - 0.433 - 0.517 - 0.583 | 67 - 67 - 83 - 67 - 83 - 67
As you can see on the video (in the new analyzer) and on recs, the delay between kicks in miliseconds is almost identical and the delays themselves are very small, so it is evident that he is using macro in these situations, you can see the delays are always around 67ms between each kick, that is around 15 kicks per second, which is very hard to do without macro.
and @supernatural i think if you blame anyone with macro, you should also check their opponents
Maze wrote:
You are not their opponent. if u want to do positive thing for yourself, talk with their opponents and they can apply to HCL for this macro suspicion.
There is no point in discussing the topic of FM and discussing 5 pages. You have to do the right thing, if you do not apply with the right method why should i feel compelled to explain everything to you?
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