Haxball Flash on HTML

[B4D4SS]

I might be risking myself to be considered as a dumbo in this topic, but if everything has a 10msec delay on Flash, then why setting up extrapolation by 10msec does not work into converting the game to a more "Flashier gameplay", since technically the command "extrapolation" is input delay in itself?

Extrapolation only adjusts what you see on your on screen, the actual game in real time remains the same. You can see things 10msec ahead or behind when it really happens, but that doesn't mean your actually kicking 10msec faster/slower, you simply are giving yourself more/less time to react to the situation, and then move/kick with 0 delay.

In Flash you press right arrow, and literally 10msec later it registers, then you start moving right, instead of immediately. This makes the physics entirely different. Movement on Flash is heavier, which affects all aspects of the game to be different than HTML, even if subtly.

On HTML, there is 0 delay from when you press the button, regardless of your extrapolation number (which just affects how you see the game, ahead or behind time).

[Mod]

The thing is that most people dont remember how Flash gameplay was at all, to the people complaining about the ball being fast and goals being random sometimes, go check a Flash rec.

I get that people want Flash gameplay back, but unless Basro changes HTML that is not going to happen, and people need to understand that we can't make a replica of Flash gameplay just from a map, maybe what Haxball needs is to evolve and stop thinking about copying Flash and maybe update to a new map that works with the kind of gameplay we have nowadays, maybe a smaller ball i dont know thats what we need to all find out.

[Bot88]

From what I have seen from the few fses I have played on this map goals are even more random than they are now on big with the ball deflecting all over the place due to the increased speed of the ball. Shooting the ball via the wall to score will probably be too OP for strikers aswell

Yes, you're right, maybe we can put the ball a little bit slower, but as you can see in the recs below, the ball on Flash was very fast, that's why people used to play safer with fear of conceding random goals. So, no one used to spam 24/7, or defend with 2 on the corner or even blocking the dm the whole game as it is now on HTML. Those were the reasons why we didn’t put the ball a little bigger either, because our objetive was to make an ball that could pass through spaces that in the normal gameplay isn't possible.

http://haxrec.com/113830 | http://haxrec.com/101860

Anyway, i see that some people liked the map, others didn't, it depends on the preferences of each people, we know that it's impossible to return with the gameplay of Flash because we're in this fkng HTML, but at least we're trying to change something in the current gameplay that in my opinion, is cancer and not fun.

[Anddy]

Go play skillball, that's all

[B4D4SS]

Yes, you're right, maybe we can put the ball a little bit slower, but as you can see in the recs below, the ball on Flash was very fast, that's why people used to play safer with fear of conceding random goals. So, no one used to spam 24/7, or defend with 2 on the corner or even blocking the dm the whole game as it is now on HTML. Those were the reasons why we didn’t put the ball a little bigger either, because our objetive was to make an ball that could pass through spaces that in the normal gameplay isn't possible.

http://haxrec.com/113830 | http://haxrec.com/101860

The ball kick speed is 100% identical, they both take exactly 2 seconds to reach goal line on Classic, from stand still kick-off. It stays at 1.9seconds right until ball crosses the goal line, then its 2 seconds. Look:









Flash rec source: https://thehax.pl/forum/powtorki.php?na ... 357ccfa6b7
HTML rec source: https://thehax.pl/forum/powtorki.php?na ... dc0ec122b2