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Ter wrote:Consciousness goes into a black hole of thought and after some time decompressing it appears once again in some living form like a "blank paper", and that new living form will be the new home of your "me", since consciousness is what makes you the real you […]
saviola wrote:Why do you separate the consciousness from the physical body? Let's assume it was possible to transform matter into information, and then re-create it (teleportation, so to speak): Your information is read, then your body is destroyed, and in another place your body is re-created exactly. Would that "new" body have a different consciousness, be a different person?
saviola wrote:Ter wrote:Consciousness goes into a black hole of thought and after some time decompressing it appears once again in some living form like a "blank paper", and that new living form will be the new home of your "me", since consciousness is what makes you the real you […]
Why do you separate the consciousness from the physical body? Let's assume it was possible to transform matter into information, and then re-create it (teleportation, so to speak): Your information is read, then your body is destroyed, and in another place your body is re-created exactly. Would that "new" body have a different consciousness, be a different person?
Ter wrote:saviola wrote:Ter wrote:Consciousness goes into a black hole of thought and after some time decompressing it appears once again in some living form like a "blank paper", and that new living form will be the new home of your "me", since consciousness is what makes you the real you […]
Why do you separate the consciousness from the physical body? Let's assume it was possible to transform matter into information, and then re-create it (teleportation, so to speak): Your information is read, then your body is destroyed, and in another place your body is re-created exactly. Would that "new" body have a different consciousness, be a different person?
Even tho consciousness seems to always need a body to express itself, the reality is that there exist some situations where you can't control your physical body but you feel your consciousness working, such as in a coma, in a dream and even in clinical death (https://bioethics.georgetown.edu/2015/07/consciousness-after-clinical-death-the-biggest-ever-scientific-study-published/), so technically we can say that consciousness has its sort of independence related to bodies, even tho it's very hard to see and to prove it, since consciousness isn't the most tactile thing in the world.
About the whole body thing, of course that a "new" body with a different consciousness would be a different person, in my POV, consciousness is what really determines who you are, since all your ideologies are stored in there, so we can kinda say that what you are what you think (a narcissist dream ).
LaggerMet wrote:you can't control your body but the consciousness is still a physical function of your body... Saying its not a part of your body is the same as saying that seeing is not a function of your body because there are cases that you can't use your other sensed but you still can see... Sometimes we do not use all our body functions, that doesnt make consciousness special.
Ter wrote:LaggerMet wrote:you can't control your body but the consciousness is still a physical function of your body... Saying its not a part of your body is the same as saying that seeing is not a function of your body because there are cases that you can't use your other sensed but you still can see... Sometimes we do not use all our body functions, that doesnt make consciousness special.
I am not saying that consciousness isn't at most of the times alligned with physical control over the body or that it does not need at 100% of certainty a body to function, what i'm saying is that there is irrefutable evidence where you aren't controlling physically your body but your consciousness is still alive and contributing directly to your selfdevelopment, which, therefore, makes you think that there is a possibility that consciousness does not follow the death of the body, because it's like, how can a consciousness prove its alive status while not having any way (physical body) to show its existence? There is a very interesting episode on the Black Mirror series (sci-fi/futuristic netflix content), where there exists this woman that is brought to a doctor to be performed a surgery (not 100% accurate, haven't watched it in some time) and then its consciousness is put on an alarm clock, and that kinda makes you think, imagine that all your consciousness is stored on an alarm clock with 2/3 available functions to the public (all your knowledge can only be transmited by 2/3 funcions that are made available by that device, the alarm clock), how can you prove that your consciousness exists?
Anyways, the most likely reason for that is kinda of a delay between the body's death and the consciousness death, kinda like what would happen if our star, the sun, died for any reason, we would still have at minimum 8 minutes of life before feeling the effects of that death.
Ter wrote:Even tho consciousness seems to always need a body to express itself, the reality is that there exist some situations where you can't control your physical body but you feel your consciousness working, such as in a coma, in a dream and even in clinical death (https://bioethics.georgetown.edu/2015/07/consciousness-after-clinical-death-the-biggest-ever-scientific-study-published/), so technically we can say that consciousness has its sort of independence related to bodies, even tho it's very hard to see and to prove it, since consciousness isn't the most tactile thing in the world.
Ter wrote:About the whole body thing, of course that a "new" body with a different consciousness would be a different person, in my POV, consciousness is what really determines who you are, since all your ideologies are stored in there, so we can kinda say that what you are what you think (a narcissist dream ).
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