LEAGUE - Thursday 25 July (r7)

[Joehan]

From how it's happened in the past when ineligible players were played:

http://haxballishungry.forumotion.co.uk ... neverlosin

jonny:

A replay is the best way to resolve the situation. We have to be consistent with things like this; if we choose not to replay this game what happens in future if someone fields an ineligible player? They will look back this game and point out that nothing was done. It's already been explained numerous times why Haz.Be is ineligible for the game. The replay should take place under the exact conditions that would've existed on Sunday had this mistake not been made, and that means without Haz.Be who wouldn't have been able to play.

I think consistency dictates that a rematch should be played.

Also notice how team 0815 had sali on the bench, so it isn't as if it was blatant disregard of the rules. You would expect with an admin being in the game they would have been reminded that Gnaw was not allowed to play rather than said admin waiting until after the game

[Suarez09]

+6 rep for you Amunike.<3

[stjärna]

Totally agree with Joe, plus there was no complaining before or during the game why complain after losing? Just doesn't make sense.

[Suarez09]

Stjarna, Probably cuz they ''''''didn't know that.'''''' *cough* *cough*

[s.signorelli]

tbh with 0815 thinking that gnaw was allowed as they asked an admin if he was allowed to play, and the admin said yes. but dooms (the admin) only said yes cause of a misunderstanding.

also with an admin (perkins) in the room (like starna said) why didnt they remind team 0815 that gnaw wasnt allowed to play, but only bringing up the ineligible after they lost. as 0815 had other players online they would've been able to continue the match.

therefore the match should be replayed, and for the fact starlights don't deserve the 3 points, due to how poorly they played. :)

furthermore this isnt the first time starlights have done this, back in season 5 bayer neverlosin beat soccerettes, but kingkong (playing for bayer at the time) only agreed a season long contract on the forum not on the site. rachel therefore brought up the fact kingkong was out of contract (despite him accepting a season long contract on the forum), trying to push for a defwin to soccerettes, which would have helped starlights to get to first place in division 2.

[Maddude]

Starlights v Team 0815 3 - 0 (defwin)
REC-file: http://haxballtube.com/watch/1d0bfae387

Reason: Gnaw was not allowed to play.
Remember the transfer window closes on the 18th July (19 GMT), all players that have been in an FM team this season cannot play for another team apart from the team they have played in untill the transfer window reopens again. Free agents that have not played in a team this season can still be signed after the deadline.

Gnaw played for Reivers Design against h0bA on the 21st July.
Game link: http://fm-haxball.co.uk/index.php?page=fixture&id=384

Team 0815 sign GnawSexi on 25th Jul, 16:59
GnawSexi left Reivers Design on 25th Jul, 16:57
Reivers Design sign GnawSexi on 20th Jul, 14:53

i don't accept the deflose for my team, because i asked a supporter of this league and he anwsered that he is allowed to play.

http://s14.directupload.net/file/d/3327/pdjjzltt_jpg.htm

maybe its after our game, but the situation is the same. because if he is allowed to play in a postponed match, he is automatically allowed to play in a normal league match too.

i didn't knew that he isn't allowed, so i don't think that we should count this as a defwin for your team and it is not my fault if i get wrong informations.

Nowhere in that conversation did you say it was Gnaw, a player signed after transfer window that had played for a team this season already.


In this case it really is upto Starlights whether to class it or not, upto them.

Don't know why Perkins did not mention to Team 0815 that he was not allowed to play. :/

[Perkins]

Don't know why Perkins did not mention to Team 0815 that he was not allowed to play. :/

As I said, I wasnt able to check Reivers Design replays, and not only me.

http://puu.sh/3LCNz.png

[dooms]

tbh with 0815 thinking that gnaw was allowed as they asked an admin if he was allowed to play, and the admin said yes. but dooms (the admin) only said yes cause of a misunderstanding.

also with an admin (perkins) in the room (like starna said) why didnt they remind team 0815 that gnaw wasnt allowed to play, but only bringing up the ineligible after they lost. as 0815 had other players online they would've been able to continue the match.

therefore the match should be replayed, and for the fact starlights don't deserve the 3 points, due to how poorly they played.

furthermore this isnt the first time starlights have done this, back in season 5 bayer neverlosin beat soccerettes, but kingkong (playing for bayer at the time) only agreed a season long contract on the forum not on the site. rachel therefore brought up the fact kingkong was out of contract (despite him accepting a season long contract on the forum), trying to push for a defwin to soccerettes, which would have helped starlights to get to first place in division 2.

i was asked after the match had happend

[Joehan]

the precedent is for a replay, so why do they get a choice?

[OvoXo]

You gotta stick to consistency and replay the game, every other team in the past who had an ineligible player, replayed the game fair and square. I don't know why #SL are taking a def win every rematch is an admin decision, so Perkins hold your horses bro you seem to be making too many rash decisions lately, I'm starting to question if you're fit to be an admin. Relax on your decision making skills, they're quite off like Tien's passing skills. (http://haxballtube.com/watch/1d0bfae387 13:40)

Click the link to get the joke ^^

[naby]

Its nothing to do with previous incidents. The fact is that a player was signed and played against the rules. The rules are (as an admin has said above) that it is up to us. We'll be taking the defwin. End of discussion. Now neg away if it makes you feel better.

[OvoXo]

by Rachel » September 10th, 2012, 11:01 am

Due to an ineligible player being fielded by Bayer, we have decided that this game must be replayed.

The conclusion was that Haz.be was allowed to sign for Bayer, after an admin error (the retirement from Masterchefs was not spotted). Due to this, a defwin cannot be awarded.

Haz.be will not be allowed to play in the replay.

Look at what you said there and look at what you say here.

by jonnyynnoj » September 10th, 2012, 5:55 pm

A replay is the best way to resolve the situation. We have to be consistent with things like this; if we choose not to replay this game what happens in future if someone fields an ineligible player? They will look back this game and point out that nothing was done.

It's already been explained numerous times why Haz.Be is ineligible for the game. The replay should take place under the exact conditions that would've existed on Sunday had this mistake not been made, and that means without Haz.Be who wouldn't have been able to play.

Let's have some consistency pls

[Joehan]

Its nothing to do with previous incidents. The fact is that a player was signed and played against the rules. The rules are (as an admin has said above) that it is up to us. We'll be taking the defwin. End of discussion. Now neg away if it makes you feel better.

pls quote me the rule where the team gets the choice of defwin or rematch

i cant find it

[naby]

Doesn't really matter. Rule 1.6 says its a captains duty to ensure their players are legitimate and likely result will be a defloss to the offending team if the field an illegitimate player. So according to that, it seem its a defloss to 0815 anyway. But, an admin has said that its up to us. Therefore we are taking the defwin.

[naby]

<20:44:43> "kAoS - no support": tell me
<20:44:48> "kAoS - no support": is a free player someone
<20:44:52> "kAoS - no support": who wasnt in a team
<20:44:56> "kAoS - no support": or who didnt played for a team
<20:45:02> "Pеrkіns": who didnt play
<20:45:04> "TieN": its some1 who hasn't played for any team
<20:45:07> "kAoS - no support": lol
<20:45:10> "Pеrkіns": if he had team but he didnt play he can join another team
<20:45:12> "kAoS - no support": but he could be in a team before?
<20:45:14> "kAoS - no support": LOL
<20:45:24> "TieN": why r u lol
<20:45:30> "Pеrkіns": yes
<20:45:34> "Pеrkіns":
<20:45:37> "kAoS - no support": mom
<20:45:39> "kAoS - no support": detective kaos
<20:45:47> "TieN": :O
<20:45:52> "Pеrkіns":
<20:46:12> "kAoS - no support": lol
<20:46:19> "kAoS - no support": why i cant open the matches from reivers design
<20:46:24> "kAoS - no support": dat shitts script
<20:46:29> "Pеrkіns": i can
<20:46:37> "kAoS - no support": http://fm-haxball.co.uk/team-reivers-design-6.html
<20:46:39> "kAoS - no support": on this?
<20:46:41> "kAoS - no support": i cant
<20:46:46> "kAoS - no support": "latest results"
<20:46:54> "kAoS - no support": i cant klick on any result to watch
<20:46:59> "Pеrkіns": ah ye i cant too
<20:47:01> "Pеrkіns": wtf
<20:47:07> "Pеrkіns": sec
<20:47:10> "TieN": i can open
<20:47:15> "kAoS - no support": häh
<20:47:24> "Pеrkіns": i asked the owner of the website
<20:47:24> "TieN": what do u want me to open
<20:47:41> "kAoS - no support": give me link of all matches
<20:47:46> "kAoS - no support": from this team
<20:47:48> "TieN": http://fm-haxball.co.uk/index.php?page=fixture&id=384
<20:47:49> "kAoS - no support": doring this season
<20:47:56> "kAoS - no support": during*
<20:47:59> "TieN": gnaw pld
<20:48:03> "kAoS - no support": http://fm-haxball.co.uk/index.php?page=fixture&id=384
<20:48:04> "kAoS - no support": jhajhaahaha
<20:48:09> "kAoS - no support": so he wasnt able to play
<20:48:09> "kAoS - no support": gg
<20:48:10> "Pеrkіns": ah ye
<20:48:13> "Pеrkіns": defwin
<20:48:14> "Pеrkіns": lol
<20:48:23> "kAoS - no support": its a dirty win
<20:48:24> "kAoS - no support": but np xD
<20:48:28> "kAoS - no support": this game fucked me so up
<20:48:29> "kAoS - no support": lol
<20:48:47> "TieN": looks like the only game he played
<20:48:58> "kAoS - no support": 1 game is 1 game
<20:48:58> "kAoS - no support":
<20:51:49> "TieN": im going to bed, hf getting us a defwin lol
<20:52:09> "kAoS - no support": do it perkins
<21:04:38> "Pеrkіns": viewtopic.php?f=287&t=4328&p=47796#p47796
<21:10:20> "kAoS - no support": good guy

This is to the people who think perkins knew about gnaw being ineligible BEFORE the game. It's a log from the SL channel. As you can see, Perkins wasn't aware, therefore we weren't taking advantage. We only became aware of it AFTER the game.

[naby]

NWA - Bayer. Last season. Cup.

NWA offered a rematch to Bayer after they played with an uneligible player.

Even knowing that it was difficult like hell for us to win them, we didnt even consider a defwin.

Very dissappointing, #SL

So the point here being, you were offered a defwin and you didn't take it?

Cause that plays right into our park with this whole "the precedent is to replay the match" thing. Because if you were offered a defwin, then so are we.

[<º)))<]

NWA - Bayer. Last season. Cup.

NWA offered a rematch to Bayer after they played with an uneligible player.

Even knowing that it was difficult like hell for us to win them, we didnt even consider a defwin.

Very dissappointing, #SL

So the point here being, you were offered a defwin and you didn't take it?

Cause that plays right into our park with this whole "the precedent is to replay the match" thing. Because if you were offered a defwin, then so are we.

We discussed with some admins what to do, and we said in advance that we were not taking a defwin.

[naby]

NWA - Bayer. Last season. Cup.

NWA offered a rematch to Bayer after they played with an uneligible player.

Even knowing that it was difficult like hell for us to win them, we didnt even consider a defwin.

Very dissappointing, #SL

So the point here being, you were offered a defwin and you didn't take it?

Cause that plays right into our park with this whole "the precedent is to replay the match" thing. Because if you were offered a defwin, then so are we.

We discussed with some admins what to do, and we said in advance that we were not taking a defwin.

And we are saying that we are.

[dooms]

by Rachel » September 10th, 2012, 11:01 am

Due to an ineligible player being fielded by Bayer, we have decided that this game must be replayed.

The conclusion was that Haz.be was allowed to sign for Bayer, after an admin error (the retirement from Masterchefs was not spotted). Due to this, a defwin cannot be awarded.

Haz.be will not be allowed to play in the replay.

Look at what you said there and look at what you say here.

by jonnyynnoj » September 10th, 2012, 5:55 pm

A replay is the best way to resolve the situation. We have to be consistent with things like this; if we choose not to replay this game what happens in future if someone fields an ineligible player? They will look back this game and point out that nothing was done.

It's already been explained numerous times why Haz.Be is ineligible for the game. The replay should take place under the exact conditions that would've existed on Sunday had this mistake not been made, and that means without Haz.Be who wouldn't have been able to play.

Let's have some consistency pls

This was when admins had to confirm signings in the forum, right now it's up to the captains to know the rules about the transfer window

Since season 5, captains have always had the decision to defwin or not if the opponents field an illegible player and it'll be the same with starlights.

imo just re the game, you'd want to win the title fairly, not because you chose to be mean to the opponents after you lost

[naby]

by Rachel » September 10th, 2012, 11:01 am

Due to an ineligible player being fielded by Bayer, we have decided that this game must be replayed.

The conclusion was that Haz.be was allowed to sign for Bayer, after an admin error (the retirement from Masterchefs was not spotted). Due to this, a defwin cannot be awarded.

Haz.be will not be allowed to play in the replay.

Look at what you said there and look at what you say here.

by jonnyynnoj » September 10th, 2012, 5:55 pm

A replay is the best way to resolve the situation. We have to be consistent with things like this; if we choose not to replay this game what happens in future if someone fields an ineligible player? They will look back this game and point out that nothing was done.

It's already been explained numerous times why Haz.Be is ineligible for the game. The replay should take place under the exact conditions that would've existed on Sunday had this mistake not been made, and that means without Haz.Be who wouldn't have been able to play.

Let's have some consistency pls

This was when admins had to confirm signings in the forum, right now it's up to the captains to know the rules about the transfer window

Since season 5, captains have always had the decision to defwin or not if the opponents field an illegible player and it'll be the same with starlights.

imo just re the game, you'd want to win the title fairly, not because you chose to be mean to the opponents after you lost

We will win the title fairly. Via the shit play-offs you brought in. Winning or losing this game won't stop us finishing in the play-off position. Therefore we won't be wasting our time with a re-match. If it was a straight season then sure we might consider it.